RSGP
Summary: mustang_f criticizes the GPSR (General Product Safety Regulation) as a heavy burden, echoing the strain of EPR. greg.k73 shares that frustration, pointing out the absurd requirements for sellers on eBay. Other participants discuss the ambiguities around collectibles, trying to understand which categories are actually affected by the regulation. Links and definitions are shared to clarify things, but the consensus remains that these laws seem ill-suited, creating more confusion than solutions.
Did you like the EPR (extended producer responsibility) that put us in a black m...ess for several months on eBay? You'll probably like the latest brainchild of those b...ards in Brussels, the GPSR (General Product Safety Regulation). I can feel another monstrous bureaucratic nightmare coming our way, one that will keep us busy and give us cold sweats at the end of the year. As for me, since I sell used electricity among other things, I’m expecting the worst; I don’t know what you think about it
greg.k73
·2 years agohello, I totally agree with you.
after taxing us on our recyclable packaging that we already recycle by sending back boxes that we have recovered or received, now we’re going to have to give the name and address of the company that made our item put up for sale, as well as check all the labels on our products if there are any.
Honestly, we sellers have nothing better to do ... and the buyer couldn’t care less about the address of the brand of the product they’re buying, this is getting ridiculous
Of course we have to update all our listings within a 2-month period, otherwise bam, punishment.
And if we sell a lot of items, how do we do it? Do we list all the different addresses and names??
as for sellers of Chinese products, they’re going to have to, I quote: " indicate a responsible person or entity based in the EU or Northern Ireland, as well as its name and contact details." so that I can quote again: " This person or entity must be responsible for specific tasks related to product safety and compliance."
I feel sorry for this person!!
In any case, this promises some good hours of laughs, all of this ^^
And for companies that no longer exist, how do we do it? do we find the tomb of the brand’s creator?
I feel sorry for collectors who sell pin badges, stamps and other things, this also promises to be something for them.
mustang_f
OP2 years agothe European officials, lavishly paid by our taxes, unfortunately continue relentlessly their work of destroying our economy by suffocating us with regulations and taxes that are more absurd than the last
an eye-opening comparison of GDP growth between the United States and Europe
store-of-collectors
·2 years agoAnything related to pins, comic-book-related items, collections, etc. . . is not concerned
francexpressdeal
·2 years agoHello @store-of-collectors
on the eBay help page about the GPSR, you can find a list of excluded categories:
https://www.ebay.fr/espacevendeurs/ressources/legislation-reglementation/rsgp
However, the categories you mention are not listed there. (For the "collection" category, there are some subcategories that are listed there, but most of the other subcategories are not). So by definition they would indeed be subject to the GPSR (for eBay...).
Could you cite your source?
nareio
·1 year agoHello, @francexpressdeal (and the others)
A precise definition of what a collection and an antique are seems to me to have become absolutely essential.( For aircraft, we need to think more; it may refer to the two previous categories. But then, what about bicycles? and scooters???)
My neighbor has kept since childhood a copy of each of the wrappers from the candies she is given. Some date from the first half of last century. She even has rare pieces, the individual wrappers of little candies that served as small change in a neighboring country in the seventies. Assuming she wants to sell them, how should she regard them? From what date do some of the pieces become "antiques"? Or even, for some, curiosities for numismatists? Moreover,, these wrappers are part of objectively "food" sachets, without staying that way once you unfold them to eat the candy and keep them.
The problem is the same for camembert labels, those of prestige wines...and a few others....
And the inventory is not finished....
Aside from that...Have a good day to you (and to the others)
francexpressdeal
·1 year agoHello @nareio
regarding the precise definition of antiques and collectibles, here’s what eBay says:
And here’s the link to the legal text (with Annex IX of the VAT directive):
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/FR/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32006L0112
What we can see is that eBay therefore based itself solely on this Annex IX to decide to exclude certain categories from the GPSR. Which is therefore what we find in their "dedicated document".
The problem is that applying the GPSR is absurd for many other categories...
For example, keychains. It’s well known that using a keychain is just as dangerous as using a chainsaw!
In any case, for those categories not excluded by the legal texts, e-commerce sites therefore ask sellers to apply the GPSR.
The problem really comes from the legal texts, which clearly did not foresee excluding certain categories.
Since e-commerce sites are applying these laws, sellers currently have no choice but to follow suit.
nareio
·1 year agoThat's exactly what I thought I understood !!!"
For my neighbor, who until now filed her papers in the category "mementos", afraid of the problems she might create for her heirs, she has just moved them into the category "selective sorting-yellow bin". Too bad for future generations. Fragile objects that stand the test of time become treasures. Just look at Pompeii.
It can hardly be reproached to e-bay (or to anyone else) for recommending respect for the law.
But the problem remains unchanged
.It's a question of inventorying the possible cases and being precise with vocabulary. Richelieu, long ago, faced with similar problems, founded the French Academy. Maybe we should consider the multilingual equivalent? (We have all experienced, for example, that "Antiquity" and "Antiquité" do not have exactly the same meaning in online sales.).
Based on our experience gained through the Academy (period of creation of the institution, time of word definitions.), it's just a matter of decades, no more than a century or two, in any case....
Maybe it's worth it??